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Post by She Likes Surprises on May 19, 2017 13:31:25 GMT
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Post by Sollozzo on May 19, 2017 13:57:05 GMT
I just read an article that seems to have the most plausible explanation I've seen. Chris was on anxiety medication to alleviate stress from the tour. They often list suicidal thoughts as a side effect of anxiety medication. Anyway, Vicky supposedly said she talked to him after the show, and he was slurring his words. He told her he may have accidentally taken one or two more pills than he was supposed to. Vicky called the hotel to have a security guard check on him, and you know the rest.
I felt people were reading too much into things he said during the show. "In My Time of Dying" is always inserted in the middle of "Slaves & Bulldozers," which is frequently the last song they play at shows. His "My Wave" monologue is the same one he always gives when explaining the song's meaning. I wasn't at the show or anything, but in the one clip I saw, he was explaining "Mailman," and he did seem to be speaking with a little bit of a slur.
Anyway, if this really is the case, it's still very sad and tragic because it means it was all just an accident. It's going to be really hard not googling his name when I'm feeling down to see what new projects he's working on or to see if he's touring. It's going to be hard to listen to some of my favorite songs like "Tighter & Tighter," too. I've been avoiding any of his music, though. What's really been getting me down is that he's everywhere. I go in my bedroom, and I see Soundgarden posters. I hear things throughout the day and think of similar things Chris said in interviews. He was just such a one-of-a-kind artist. I hesitate to even call him a musical genius because whenever I saw him perform acoustic, I felt that he was music itself, like he was a reactor and the music was some sort of divine energy just flowing through him if that makes sense.
EDIT: Oops. Looks like SLS already posted about the ativan. Sorry about that.
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Post by She Likes Surprises on May 19, 2017 14:19:40 GMT
I feel a little comfort that there may be an alternate explanation other than intentional suicide.
But, can 1 or 2 pills really change someone so profoundly? It sounds like he's been taking it for awhile.
I feel so bad for Vicky having to insist Chris was dedicated to them. We all know he truly was.
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Post by She Likes Surprises on May 19, 2017 19:26:34 GMT
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Post by She Likes Surprises on May 19, 2017 19:48:32 GMT
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Post by sonikreducer on May 19, 2017 20:10:37 GMT
we lost the voice of our generation, our Lennon, last night, at the age of 52 years young.
was blessed enough to have enough gumption to get on a plane late last month and take off on a 3.5 week trek, with 5 Soundgarden shows as the 'centerpiece'.
visiting cherished friends while doing so was just as important as the onstage product that lured me from home.
always had wanted to follow the mighty SG around, and didn't then know why....
have been listening to the recordings on repeat for the last 24 hours, asking myself, "how? why? what?", and there are no answers, there are no words.
if there's one thing I've learned from this, is that depression cuts across *all* lines.
yet it can, and *does* get better.
a man that was so vibrant, so savage, so fierce, so *alive* on stage just mere days ago, was taken from us by the demons of parables that go back thousands of years.
if there is an "answer", and something to learn from this great loss, it's in the simple things.
hug your family. sit down and listen. don't ever take "no" for an answer. be involved. but allow for mistakes (which lead to growth)
as without mistakes, we don't learn.
and if we don't learn, we don't (out)shine.
that is all.
#LookingCaliforniaFeelingMinnesota
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Post by downtemple on May 19, 2017 23:33:52 GMT
These new developments sound more plausible. Was something missed by the law at the scene? No paramedics show up? Egads. I took Down on the Upside in the G ride today.. for some reason wanted to listen to Rhinosaur. so surreal. any other time with any SG song, hit play and crank it up. Well, I turned it up loud, but had to take a big breath at first. Truly still out of it. Zero chance is after, but couldn't do it. Never the Machine is Kim's music and lyrics, so managed that one. But had to stop listening. Not ready yet I guess. Still trying to come to grips. This doesn't make sense, it probably never will  |
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Post by nickthegreek on May 19, 2017 23:59:40 GMT
This thread is so properly titled!!
Just to touch on the title itself, Cornell was like a King amongst peasants. "The voice" is gone....The music stopped. This is freakin' bullshit.
People talk about great rock singers past and present, personally Cornell destroys all of em'. Some might have powerful voices.Others with voices that couldve been in opera....But no one could combine beauty,emotion,power and ferocity like Cornell....NO ONE. His voice wasnt one that you heard and just were like "he has an beautiful/great/awesome voice" .....He penetrated you with that voice. You felt emotion. He had a once in a lifetime talent....and he's gone. Im stupified.
And he had so many more years of great music in him. His last solo album was incredible....and him being one who liked to switch it up, there wouldve been a wide variety of great music in the future from him to look forward to. He was on a roll.
No more Soundgarden shows....No more Soundgarden songs....no Audioslave reunions....no solo stuff...nothing...Its a nightmare.This just aint right.
He wasnt supposed to die. He was supposed to be around being the man for the next 25 years. I cant believe this is even happening and im actually typing about this...
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Post by Wellwater Conspiracist on May 20, 2017 2:36:13 GMT
so sad. soundgarden was my life in high school. back in the 90s...kind of got out of them in recent years but was able to see them live in 2011.
RIP Chris
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Post by nickthegreek on May 20, 2017 6:13:54 GMT
This was the power and affect Cornells voice had....Listen to the fan right at the end at 6:31 . That poor brother was left in complete and utter stupification. He short circuited right there in the crowd. I could picture him standing there in a daze with smoke coming out of his ears.....and then just tipping over...Completely sizzled.
Robert Plant...Dio...Mercury...Daultry...who ever are considered the greats...None of them could evoke that kind of reaction...
Cornell was one of a kind
I always get a smile when i hear that....
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Post by gary4life on May 20, 2017 7:53:39 GMT
Im so sad and angry at all of this. Sad Chris would do this, but angry that this DICKHEAD on facebook who actually owns a Guitar Repair business in my local would post something like this on his facebook less that 48 hours after her has killed himself, while his family, friends and fans are dealing with the shock and pain of a hero of ours committing suicide. Seriously, WTF is wrong with this world? I am all for someone having an opinion - you dont have to be a fan - but you have to be a fucking arsehole to put something like this up so soon after someone has died, and from someone inside the industry no less - Well done you fucking hero His company is Bach Guitar Services in Brisbane Australia - www.bachguitarservices.com.au/Their email address is matt@bachguitarservices.com.au His business facebook page is www.facebook.com/bachguitarservicesFeel free to drop this barista looking piece of shit a message on how his opinion on Soundgarden being his generations Nickelback was probably one he could have shared privately or at a more suitable time. I wouldnt even do this about Nickelback - shitting on someone when others are still mourning their untimely death is NOT COOL He also operates a recording studio called VIA Studios www.facebook.com/viastudios/ - you would think someone who makes their living from rock music would have more brains and class that this.  |
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Post by The Sound (Admin) on May 20, 2017 10:09:44 GMT
^ It's sad to think someone can be so thoughtless regardless of their personal opinions, but I suspect he is a pathetic attention seeker who likes to blow a strike when someone is on the ground.
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Post by yeltsin on May 20, 2017 12:10:46 GMT
This whole thing is unreal. It's easy to say in hindsight, "he should never have been given Ativan!" but it's probably a factor. Depending on what strength tablet it was, 2-3 tabs could be quite a lot--certainly enough to seriously impair judgment, and to disinhibit to the extent that people say and do things they had no clue they were capable of. Ativan is like alcohol in pill form, so it can bring out very out-of-character behaviors if too much is taken and the person is severely intoxicated. It can cause delirium. If he had a lot of repressed feelings, he may have been perfectly unaware of them sober, but unleashed them with a few mg of Ativan. It's especially true when one is on it for extended periods, because tolerance develops to the sedation and one is more awake, but still under the influence and disinhibited. It's worse if there is any other drug combined, and quite lethal with alcohol. I'm sure Chris must've had serious issues to have had such addiction problems, but I'm also very experienced with these medications, and tend to suspect that Vicky is onto something when she says he was impaired by the Ativan.
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Post by downtemple on May 20, 2017 23:02:19 GMT
The emotional beat down still prevails. Ugh. I was looking him up at Wiki and the date listed is May 17th, but the police timeline and Vicky's statement suggests early May 18th. Guess it really doesn't make a difference. Still so hard to get a grasp on. There's got to be a catalog of unfinished songs he was working on. Plus the band too. But that's for another time. Nice words NTG, and gotta give it up to the OP. The worst of the worst news to have to pass along. This is a nightmare  |
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Post by lorc on May 20, 2017 23:18:26 GMT
It makes me really sad to think that he'd been suffering anxiety (from the sounds of the medication he was taking)...I thought those demons were in his past. From personal experience, when it gets bad (and I mean really bad), thoughts are far far from rational, hope becomes non existent and thoughts can (and usually do) turn to darkness very quickly, and very insistently and intensely. I missed the last Soundgarden UK tour (basically due to anxiety and having the worst 6 months of my life). Luckily, I saw him solo last year and he was amazing...It's really hit me though x I hope all you guys are okay x
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